For First-Time Pollen Chuckers

[C.D. Monkey]

Sooner or later, almost every grower takes a shot at "playing God".

Whether by design, or accident, seeds happen, and the fun begins.

First, don't get your hopes up ... the odds of measurable improvement are worse than Powerball.

The initial results to be expected from most F2 seeds are shown below.

( Keep in mind that chronological age causes changes that aren't evident until much later, so even a "good" plant, revegged into a "good" mother can go weird on you and develop nasty habits. )

Out of eighteen seeds, even though all sprouted, only ten actually grew.

Some never came up, some came up & died, and some were runts.

One slightly smaller sprout had a deformed, wrinkled, 1st set of leaves.

( One runt was saved from the dumpster, just for comparison. )



These are the healthy products of the F2 run.


https://www.thecannacabana.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=231056&stc=1&d=1452969366


This is a runt, with a plant that has a deformed 1st pair of leaves.


https://www.thecannacabana.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=231055&stc=1&d=1452969227

The deformed leaf plant soon outgrew that symptom.

https://www.thecannacabana.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=231056&stc=1&d=145296942


This is how they look now. The wrinkled leaf plant is at the lower Right, and has almost caught up. The runt, having grown a little bit, is on the Left. It'll be culled ... quickly.


https://www.thecannacabana.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=231056&stc=1&d=1452969464

 

[Life B.]

I can't see the pics. edit: now i can

 

[labud]

Most of the time the runt is the most potent. ..

 

[C.D. Monkey]

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[marmaduke]

'seeds happen':22_yikes:

that should be one a T-shirt

jus remember you heard it hurr

 

[C.D. Monkey]

There, that's better.

 

[Glass Man]

Most of the time the runt is the most potent. ..

I don't know about that, but they usually have a "chip on their shoulder".

 

[kushyman]

lol..GM..4 stars!

 

[kushyman]

'seeds happen':22_yikes:

that should be one a T-shirt

jus remember you heard it hurr

what acoincidence


that is exactly what i said when a leo asked me.."so..what about these seeds?"

"uh..they just..happen"

 

[C.D. Monkey]

Doesn't Matter

Most of the time the runt is the most potent. ..

Some of the female runts can show a lot of sparkle, but who wants to waste light something that's such a small producer?

Even worse, who want's to waste time on breeding it?

It's barely possible that it might be a sparkly, smelly, male.

That would be our only use for it ... and at that, only as a test.

Having that "runt" expression bouncing around the genenome on purpose
would be far outside what's usually considered "best practice".

 

[Barefoot]

It's like someone saying they can pick the best pup out of a litter of ten at eight weeks old................

ganj on............

 

[labud]

Some of the female runts can show a lot of sparkle, but who wants to waste light something that's such a small producer?

Even worse, who want's to waste time on breeding it?

It's barely possible that it might be a sparkly, smelly, male.

That would be our only use for it ... and at that, only as a test.

Having that "runt" expression bouncing around the genenome on purpose
would be far outside what's usually considered "best practice".

I didn't mention breeding or production...just potency. ..always seems to work out that way

 

[Glass Man]

Hey CD,

What are your goals? Do you have a list of qualities that are possible to manipulate?

I'm thinking potency, aroma/flavor, yield, structure, flowering time, sativa/indica percentage, effect, disease resistance, vigor, ......what else?

Seems like hybrids are already a mixture of qualities, so it would be easier to work with pure sativas or indicas, but I know that's not as common as one would think.

I often see folks watering down "holy grails", usually with disappointing results. (Somehow the holy grails tend to get "lost"...)

I'm curious about crossing some of the most famous pure sativas, from different regions. I'm sure it's been done, but I'm not up on the history. Like breeding a Thai with an African, with a South American, etc. Is that what the famous Hawaiian sativas were?

 

[C.D. Monkey]

In this case, the goals are "experimental".

Trying a different approach to organic than our usual soil mix.

A new combination of container design, inert medium, & nutrients.

The seeds are just F2's of a commercial "orange" strain we ran a few years ago.

The main goal is just to have something to smoke ... if magic happens, that's OK.

We can always trim & reveg any outstanding individuals that might apear.

There are several "old school" crosses we've been saving for quite a while.

They can wait a bit longer, until we have a large enough legal facility.

Not much point to line-breeding unless you have big numbers.

 

[C.D. Monkey]

Unexpected Developments - New Ingredients

A new combination of ingredients has forced us to change plans.

Used a dose of "Bcuzz" root booster on the seedlings, and they grew quite a bit faster than we expected.

Then, when they were transplanted into larger cups, the bare roots got a dose of Great White fungus innoculent.

Then, another hit of the B'cuzz, and alternate doses of straight rain water and water with organic nutes.

The cups are larger than they appear. They're "deli cups" ... 4 1/2 inches wide at the top, and 6 1/2 inches tall.

Checked the roots on one of them today ... and they're stuffed with roots again.

Was hoping to use those cups until they could be sexed, but by then the roots will have begun to turn from white to brown ... necrosis.

So ... now they'll have to be placed in larger containers, and then sexed.

The differences between the plants have become more pronounced.

The very dark, wide-leaf, heavy-serration, Indica is the largest, and would probably have an even more prounounced "waxy" look to the leaf if outdoors, or supplemented with UV.

Unfortunately, the fastest, tallest, plants are usually males.

The runt is still a runt, and will go into a larger cup, but not as large as the others.

 

[C.D. Monkey]

We flipped the timer about a week ago, and the plants have begun to differentiate.

Looks like a few boys, a few girls, and one that's probably a hermaphrodite.

That's another chance you take when reproducing F2 and above.

 

[C.D. Monkey]

The Final Four ...

Four females remain from the original sprouts.

Two have darker coloration, two have distinctive aroma.

One has a distinctive shape to the top of the primary bud.

There are also slight differences in the space between buds.

Further testing must wait until after harvest.

 

[mre]

This chucking experiment is looking quite good! I like your "pop corn" containers...

 

[C.D. Monkey]

The popcorn containers were found in a nearby "Dollar Store".

They're cheap, fit close together, and place the most "soil" under the light.

A series of holes were drilled, about an inch from the bottom, on all sides.

The area below was filled with straight pearlite, creating a reservoir.

The medium / mix above is much "airier" than normal, and drains very well.

However, overall plant growth hasn't accelerated to the extent that we'd hoped.

We've been adding liquid organic nutes, to supplement what's in the mix.

But, so far, it looks like they'll need another 4 weeks or more to bulk up.

Temperature, ( 65 -70 degrees ), and lack of fresh air, might be issues.

If we use a heater, there's a very real possibility of tripping a breaker.

Ventilation, in Winter, is a problem for which there's no easy cure.

They were allowed a dose of pollen from one of the males, to make a few F3's.

Unfortunately, the "best" male, with the best aroma and structure, turned out to be a hermie.

So, we were forced to go with the number two contender.

 

[C.D. Monkey]

Each One Is Different

The plants are periodically rotated and moved from front to back.

An oscillating fan in front, blows over the ballast, and on to the plants.

Each of them is a slightly diferent phenotype.

Each has a distinct aroma.

They are all budding-up a little differently.

One is beginning to foxtail, two others show a wider bud-tip.

The third has developed a wide, oblong, curved, bud-tip.

One of the "middle" ones shows a very pronounced lifting of the leaves toward the light shortly after being watered or fertilized.

Of the three others, one "lifts" some, and the other two, hardly at all.

There's a bit of sparkle on the leaves, but they have about three weeks to go.