THC dosages listed on retail medibles

Funkynugz

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how can/do medible makers determine/create single servings with such exacting THC andor CBD dosages listed right on their packaging? Or is that an "up to..." sort of number.
 
well i have a friend who claims her dosage is upwards of 100 mg of thc per edible, or she won't buy them. Mind you this chic starts her day with 4 dabs so her tolerance is off the charts.

oh and I don't even offer to smoke her out any more. It's a friggin waste of bud.

i figure my dosages out like this:

1 gram of shatter is 1000 mg. I put 3-4 grams of shatter into 2 pounds of butter. So each pound has 2 grams or 2000 mg of extract. I can make 12 dozen cookies with those 2 pounds of butter, roughly. Each cookie then has roughly 28 mg's of concentrate in it. And honestly, half a cookie is perfect for me. Even heavy smokers love a whole one at somewhere around 60 mg of concentrate.

to get more precise, you'd need a gas chromotography machine.
 
most states with edibles have limits but out here in cali we still can make them as strong as we want. legal states will be testing the edibles so i think its relatively safe to assume the % listed is probably on the high side since there is no one checking the potency.


here is my guestimating process.
good shatter is around 70-80%
we'll average it at 75%
75% becomes .75 x mg
.75 x 1000 = 750 mg per gram
for 14g = 10500 mg
i make 100 caramels per batch
10500 / 100 = 105mg per piece by my math.
 
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OS
10,500/100= 105mg. Not 1,005. But I'm sure that's what you meant. Just didn't want others thinking a 1,000 mg caramel was a good idea. Lol.

Carry on. Liking the math shown here. Thx
Fh
 
how can/do medible makers determine/create single servings with such exacting THC andor CBD dosages listed right on their packaging? Or is that an "up to..." sort of number.

They can't. Even in other industries, getting such exact numbers/precision/accuracy is difficult and many requires well-educated and technical people to engineer such processes.
 
hi y'all;

it's not as difficult as it sounds, depending upon the manufacturing process & material supply. by making small individual portions & adding exact measurements to each one, you have a guaranteed dose. instead of making a batch of brownie/cupcake batter & adding the cannabis early in the process; you can make individual ones & incorporate a measured dose & then bake. if your measured dose is 10ml per, that is exactly what you add. w/liquids, a proper incorporation technique will offer the same consistency.

w/the current extraction tech, you can add exact amounts of various terpenes to adjust for flavor & an exact balance of thc, cbd, cbn & other active ingredients.

as for what is out there, most of the people making it have no concept of proper technique, from extraction to cooking. i've watched a few & was disgusted by their "procedures". until people get on board w/the standards that are going to be applied; there will be product out there from the entire spectrum, useless to devastating effect.
the enforcement/inspection protocols are just as loose. those w/experience w/cannabis have little to no experience w/proper manufacturing; most in the manufacturing side don't have a clue about cannabis. the money peoiple couldn't care less about either as long as the bottom line is covered. there are NO standards applied due to the federal status. coming into the light from the black market is presenting a whole slew of problems that were not considered by most.

w/the avg standard of every 10-50 batches being pulled out for testing, a different standard is needed. it will be more onerous on the growers, extractors, manufacturers & financial backers. you would be appalled @ what is allowed in your manufactured foodstuffs!

bon appetit!
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hi y'all;

it's not as difficult as it sounds, depending upon the manufacturing process & material supply. by making small individual portions & adding exact measurements to each one, you have a guaranteed dose. instead of making a batch of brownie/cupcake batter & adding the cannabis early in the process; you can make individual ones & incorporate a measured dose & then bake. if your measured dose is 10ml per, that is exactly what you add. w/liquids, a proper incorporation technique will offer the same consistency.

this is why i started the thread. i was wondering if instead of incorporating the butter into the recipe for baking whether or not you could bake the goodies (or whatever) in advance and THEN apply the infusion. by this i mean, using a spoon measure and drizzling the butter or whatever onto the single serving. just been struggling with inconsistency with edibles, looking for a better way.

thanks for the answers so far guys!
 
Let me start by saying I am an abuser. I found that eating a couple trays of brownies was detrimental to my waistline and started making canna caps. Making these caps I found a product called soy lecithin, an homogenizer, used extensively in the food industry. before the addition of the soy lecithin my caps had no consistency from one cap to the next. Since the addition of the soy lecithin all my caps seem to be the same. I make them with 11 grams of kief into 15 ml of coconut oil. I generally take 5 at a time but most people are sitting in a corner in a greenout for hours on just one. I believe the soy lecithin is the key to consistent dosing in edibles:D

2b2s
 
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OS
10,500/100= 105mg. Not 1,005. But I'm sure that's what you meant. Just didn't want others thinking a 1,000 mg caramel was a good idea. Lol.

Carry on. Liking the math shown here. Thx
Fh
105 is what i thought i typed...i usually proof read
thanks it's been edited
 
The local dispensary chain that I have visited sells chocolate that is batch-tested and labeled with percentages of TAC, THC, CBD and several other cannabinoids. I assume they have or have access to a fancy new chromatography setup.
 
business idea: Be the testing lab growers have to take their products to for testing.

my best friend from high school is a chemistry professor at a college. He knows how to do it.
 
Kind of off topic but at the same time not, here is the Badkittysmiles canna cap recipe I have been using for the last 5 years my only deviation on this tek is the amount of kief used:

"For people with varying resources and facilities, I've completed -four- 4 full variations on making hash capsules. We'll be starting with the optimal variations, and we'll work our way down to the poor (or ‘ill-prepared') mans caps. Our aim here is to transform roughly 5.5 grams of quality hash, into 15 concentrated canna capsules, for a very intense and narcotic effect.


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What you'll need:

- Minimum 5.0 grams sifted hash, or fine kief. We're using hash collected from the strain

“Devastating Train Wreck”.

- Coconut Oil, 2.5 tsp- organic and mechanically extracted are good, naturally

heat-deodorized is ok. I recommend the brands 'Now', and 'Garden of Life'.

(Remember, if a single dose turns out much too strong for you, you can dilute it
further with extra coconut oil until you achieve the desired effect. There is no rush
so feel free to fill one capsule, try it before filling the rest, and see if changes are
needed. These start out strong. Some of you will require less product per-cap.)

- Pipette to fill your caps easily by hand, or of course a fancy cap-filling machine or tray.

- Empty Gelatin Capsules Can't be veg/V-caps unless you intend on using them immediately

- Optional oils, which as a patient with digestive-absorptive difficulties, I use for enhanced

mobility and absorption of cannabinoids.. a mix of heavier to lighter oils will create an

optimal and varied 'vehicle' for cannabinoids, cbd etc., however this is the perfectionist in

me, and a single, quality coconut oil source will do just fine for most folks. I use:

- Avocado - Almond - and -Castor- oils, in addition to the coconut, at an
unmeasured rate of just a few drops each, per 2 teaspoons of coconut oil.

Just be sure they are food grade.

If you are uncertain, contact the supplier or manufacturer, or discontinue use.


- Soy Lecithin: this is where the first two recipes differ.


I made two near-exact batches to show the results side by side, one with lecithin, one

without. It's cheap, easy to find, and it absolutely enhances the effects and absorption

of cannabinoids. Further explanation below.

- Ceramic oven-safe dish

- Foil

- Empty Pill Bottles

- Desiccant sachet

- size 00 GELATIN capsules.. they must be gelatin, if you use vegetarian,

they'll disintegrate before you can use them.

But if you must use V caps, you'll have to take them almost immediately, and I'd

recommend making your hash concentrate in advance, freezing it, and defrosting what

you need, as you need it, just enough to fill a days supply of caps.

You can use larger capsules, and fill them with different ratios, but only if you can handle

swallowing pills that large; many folks have difficulties with even the 00's, although they're

your average health-food sized cap.

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Preface.
Coconut oil is a solid at temperatures below around 76-78 degrees, making it perfect for

canna capsules. When blended properly, the cannabinoids are mixed evenly through the

oil and become unable to 'eat' through the gel cap, and due to the solidity of the oil they

can be stored safely for up to several weeks at room temp. I prefer freezing mine as it

not only greatly extends their shelf life, but there are many studies and recipes that

suggest a freezing action, as a step of the process, as it enhances the molecular

break-down of the cannabinoids making them more readily available to your body.


Soy Lecithin. It's used in food processing to make less sugar appear 'sweeter', less

chocolate more 'chocolatey', and in pharmaceuticals to enhance the effectiveness of

medications, it homogenizes and safely coats, then breaks down substances, into more

fine, smaller particulates, promoting vastly improved systemic bioavailability within your

body.

The difference is so great, that you can visually see the altered consistency between

oils/pills where lecithin was used, and when it was not. 'Liposomal' lecithin encapsulation,

simply put, breaks the glands down faster, making the heating process more efficient,

reducing the risk of damaging the material from possible over-processing. I recommend

using soy lecithin in all canna and hash oil recipes.

The glands, already being decarbed (preferably), are then broken down further, and are

delivered in a vehicle of lecithin oil, creating an intensely narcotic impact upon use.

Lecithin increases the availability of everything from sugars to vitamin C, to prescription

pain meds, and the increase in availability on contact is said to be between %15 and %75

depending on the substance, vitamin, or chemical. Meaning, the correct addition of lecithin

to for instance, vitamin C, reduces the quantity of ascorbic acid you need to consume in

order to achieve the same effect, by more than 50%. You can see how this applies to the

use of digestive-resistant canna in edibles.

While I can't give you an exact figure for increased availability for cannabinoids, knowing

it does vary for the home-user kitchen to kitchen, I can guarantee you that personally I

both see, and feel a difference when lecithin is utilized.

And when you can buy such large packets of it for just two or three dollars, whatever the

increase is, it's well worth it. If you'd like to get fancy, and possibly enhance the process

further, you can additionally use ultrasonic jewelry cleansers to mimic the lab-like process

of liposomal encapsulation, and utilize a briefer period of heating.

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*** June 8th 2013 - Please keep in mind that at the time this tutorial was produced years earlier, the NOW brand company provided the above products with the statement 'Food Grade' on the label! -At the time of this post- only their Cocoa Butter of the above variety or line makes that claim, but always check your bottles before purchasing! Several years earlier these were considered some of the more cost-effective and available sources.The company has since expanded their and they continue to offer several of the above ingredients in additional food grade packaging in their additional product lines.
Please see the Canna Oil and Concentrate tutorials below, for information on more-current food grade, equally affordable, and MUCH better options!! If these oils are hard for you to come by locally, I've found the website known as "iherb" is often more affordable than buying the products in store. And remember that for most patients, Coconut Oil is THE most crucial oil source to keep in your 'canna oil making arsenal'; if you could only buy one oil or edible solvent, that should be itl! :D



Ok! To start with you're going to want to weigh out at least 5.0 grams, of finely sifted hash

or kief. I usually use around 5.5-5.7 grams, for roughly 15 capsules, give or take a cap.

Find your oven safe ceramic dish, mine is used heavily and often so you'll notice

throughout my tutorials that I don't bother cleaning it.. why remove those glands after all,

when I can reduce their loss by leaving the same amount behind with each use. I just

pop it in the fridge when I'm done with it, knowing I'll be using it again in a few days or a

week.

Preheat oven, to 220 f.

Sprinkle your hash evenly over the dish, and double seal WELL, with aluminum foil. Set

a timer for 20 minutes, place the sealed dish on a baking sheet, in the oven, during

pre-heat.. it isn't entirely necessary, but heating slowly reduces the risk of shattering your

dish, and losing your precious material.

The same applies to the end of the heating, turn off the oven, open it briefly, then close

it and allow it to cool slowly within the oven for 10 minutes.

Total decarb time, 30 minutes (20 of which, the oven is ‘on').

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Decarbing is a touchy issue for many folks, some know they need it but don't know the

methods and practices that cause decarbing, some aren't aware of it at all, others think

it's unnecessary and 'know' they get some amount of effect from eating bud on its own,

here's why: some herb, if it's old, commercial, over-dry, whatever the reason, for a variety

of reasons, some herb is already partially, or even full decarbed. The process begins

happening, very gradually, the moment you cut a plant down and begin depriving it of

water. The older the bud is, and the drier it gets, the more carbon dioxide and water vapor

is released, and the closer it is to removing the carboxyl group. It's something that is

almost never discussed publicly, but is frequently known in professional kitchens.


The fresher the herb, or the more moist the storage conditions, the more necessary and

extensive the decarbing process needs to be. Loose hash, separated from plant matter,

in general needs a bit less decarbing. With herb, depending on the age, I decarb for a full

20 minutes after the preheat, rather than including that warm up in my 20 minute time

frame. Crack oven and wait until it is cool enough to touch before removing the dish; an

additional 10 or so minutes.



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Once cooled, remove your dish.

Now, preheat your oven to 250 f, while you complete the following steps. Don't worry, it is

too hot for now, but you'll be reducing the heat once you're ready to use it.

In every step of the way, in order to prevent the loss of potency via vapor escape, you

MUST wait for your sealed container to fully cool, prior to opening.

Unwrap your foil covered dish. Your hash should now have gone from a very pale sandy

amber, to a light but somewhat golden brown.

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Mix ¼ teaspoon Lecithin to the hash, and blend well.

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You're ready to add your coconut oil, but you'll need to melt it first. Be careful doing so as

some containers have foil seals restricting microwave use, I find the safest ways of

melting your oil are just sitting it in front of a heater, or placing the entire (glass)

container in your oven, without its lid, at its lowest setting for a few moments.


For large and small batches, in order to recreate the same heat exposure and produce consistent

batches of oil, the coconut oil should ideally be brought up to at least 200 F which eliminates the heat

delay, especially when producing larger batches.

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Besides that it's good for you, coconut oil is a solid at room temperature, making it an

ideal tool for hash encapsulation. If you use a liquid oil, it's not just the oil that eats away

at the capsule in a matter of days or weeks, but very concentrated hash and cannabinoids,

can eat away at the pill in a matter of hours =-O You can try to freeze them, but often it

isn't done quick enough and you end up with ‘sloppy' capsules. A recipe for “Sloppy Caps”

will follow : )

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Mix your oily hash well, and then seal it up tightly with two layers of aluminum foil. Just to

reiterate: Wrapping in foil, during all heating stages, prevents possible vaporization of

your valuable potency.

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Now place your covered dish on a baking sheet, and into the oven. Immediately reduce

the heat down to 220 f, and set the timer for 40 minutes. The initial burst of heat is

primarily to quickly heat the dish itself, by the time the oil itself begins warming up the

temperature should have fallen sufficiently.

After 40 minutes, shut off your oven, open it momentarily, then close it allowing your oil

to slowly cool. I do this to gently increase processing time, and as a preventative safety

measure against the dish breaking from the temperature change, spoiling the product.

Once completely cooled, or only warm to the touch (about a half hour) you can remove

the foil, and stir in an additional 1/8 of a teaspoon of lecithin (once you've made oil a few

times, you should experiment with the quantity of lecithin used; patients have reported

improved absorption with varying amounts, sometimes even by -decreasing- the lecithin

volume, without omitting it entirely).


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If you are particularly meticulous about everything you do, like I am (lol), or if you would

like to use the capsules as soon as you have finished making them, this is when I

recommend taking the extra step of freezing your material, to aid in the ‘breaking up' of

the structure of your cannabinoid cliusters, which can increase their systemic bioavailability.

Place your sealed container in the freezer for 8 hours. I like freezing between periods of heat

because it results in a smoother liquid.


Moving on : ) After you've mixed in your lecithin (and after you've removed your dish from

the freezer, and have given it ample time to reach room-temp) you will again be sure it is

wrapped tightly in foil, pre-heat your oven to 220 f, place it inside during the pre-heat

(particularly if you've had it frozen, and only recently thawed), and set your timer for a minimum

of 40 minutes once preheated. If you desire a more narcotic effect, experiment with continued

heating in 40 - 60 minute intervals to produce byproducts of cannabinoid, primarily THC,

degradation, increasing the production of the sedative THC metabolite, CBN.

These are your materials for the next stage, minus the various pure oils:

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When working with large volumes the below syringe can be much easier, along with a foam seat to line up

capsules waiting to be filled.

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After allowing it to cool as described earlier, you should have something like this, a dank,

thick, viscous black-brown oil. It is exactly how a potent canna oil should look at its peak

potency, any less or lighter, indicates it could have endured more processing to reach its

potential (an inferior oil source may have been used, the temp may have been too low, or

the starting material may have been quite old, or even previously extracted and diminished

in content).

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Take your cap in your hand, wrapped in a paper towel.



I do this because, my fingers are a bit warm, and when you add even gentle heat to a

capsule, just as you are attempting to seal it, the pressure fights with you and tries to

‘pop' the cap off the end of your capsule resulting in a less-than-snug seal. Holding it in a

folded bit of paper towel, insulates it just enough to prevent this.

Now with your other hand, stir the oil gently with your pipette, as you first pinch, then allow

it to fill. Conveniently I have pipettes and syringes that measure in ml's, each 00 cap holds just

under 1ml. One tablespoon of oil, will fill roughly 15 - 16 caps.


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If you've ever made caps both with, and without lecithin, besides the end-effect this is

where you'll notice that it really helps, as far as the processing goes. The lecithin acts as a

homogenizer, it blends the infused oil more consistently, meaning you're not left to

navigate a surface oil containing some cannabinoids, and a base oil containing others*.

You end up with more consistent contents per cap, more reliably, with lecithin.



*The inert and depleted trichome cuticles or husks will not be immediately dissolved by oil or

many other solvents, and will generally settle to the base of the oil. These do however contain

infused coconut oil of the same strength as your finished oil, and it can be worth capping the

sludge, or better, reclaiming the oil inside using a small volume of alcohol which may be strained

then evaporated or purged off, leaving behind the infused coconut oil.. when woriing with tiny

batches you're best off just capping the full sludge, unless you have dietary sensitivities to

microscopic plant hairs.


Carefully seal up the other end, and viola, you've made your first hash cap!

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And the finishing shot… a nice bottle of premium medicine, and a few comparisons

between caps made with and without lecithin.


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It's immediately noticeable that the non-lecithin pills maintained a lighter color during the

same (if not more) processing, in spite of the addition of a ‘lighter colored' substance (the

lecithin), you can also visually see that the particulates contained within the oil of the

lighter non-lecithin caps, look slightly larger and less broken down, than those of the

darker lecithin caps.

And that's it for now, hope you've enjoyed glancing over this, or scouring over it if you plan on

making them yourself one day.



Good luck, and happy medicating!"


Hope this was informative and if it helps anyone then this post was not wasted:D

2b2s
 
I'm bookmarking this thread. I need consistency.
The last time I made edibles, they had the ability to steal one's soul.
 
I'm bookmarking this thread. I need consistency.
The last time I made edibles, they had the ability to steal one's soul.

Oh boy me too Budmiser. I have worn out two "tits up chairs" working on getting dosage right. Whew! Me and God and George Burns have had some conversations.

Years ago I found a rule of thumb I started using which is ".7mg/kilo of body weight. That has been a starting point. I have to guess at average content of the bud I am using so it varies. The lecithin helps ALOT!!!!!

Recently, being able to use the CBD helps too in many ways, especially if someone feels they have had too much. It works slowly if eaten, quickly if in a sublingual tincture, vaped or smoked.
 
This is an awesome tutorial. You helped me figure out some little nagging difficulties I have been having by writing this out so clearly.

I found too that making sure all is sealed well helps alot. I started using the short wide mouth half pint canning jars for my dish to decarb kief, then a ring and seal to close it. Bigger jars for trim and flowers. It also keeps the smell down in the house. Sometimes I do the heat in the oven, sometimes in my electric roaster in water or an oil bath when I have to do a big recipe or my liniment. If I have to remove moisture I worked out putting a rolled piece of heavy paper as a chimney in the middle and then putting the bud or trim around it and gently heat to finish drying. When I do this I wait until winter weather because of the smell drifting from the house or put a batch of onions in the dehydrator, or start a batch of soy candles. However, these last few years, my neighbors have said they love the smell of Afgooey, Grape Escape and Sweetland cooking.
 
I dosed my last 2 cookies last night. Have to say medibles are the closest I get to the feeling of opiates, full body buzz.
 
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